The Holy “Spirit” change was quite jarring. Thus, in the last few decades Catholic English translators have preferred spirit to ghost, whether referring to the Holy Spirit or other spirits. . Most people assume that Holy Ghost is simply an antiquated name for the Holy Spirit, and that Spirit is less ghastly than Ghost. Fortescue’s, “The Mass: A Study of the Roman Liturgy” reprinted by Preserving Christian Publications. It is language. It is the only thing like itself and the only thing that could turn a nebula into a sun and will into existence everything. as for all the rest, persevere, and be well. It’s an important distinction that was observed in traditional English translations of liturgical texts, as famously seen in the Sequence of Pentecost, “Veni, Sancte Spiritus” as well as in the Vespers hymn, “Veni, Creator Spiritus”. Since I hate Protestants and they use “Ghost”, henceforth I shall use “Spirit”. (Congregation of the Holy Spirit–Spiritans. The word ghost is of Germanic origin and comes from Old English gast , meaning soul, life, breath, good or bad spirit, angel or demon. The Holy Spirit and the Holy Ghost both refer to the same Person. Those with “eyes to see” notice the devastating effects that modern practices have had on the Catholic faith. The Holy Ghost is a personage of spirit in the form of a man. bengee. I like Holy Ghost because the New Agers are happy to say “Spirit” but will run from “The Holy Ghost” like cockroaches from the light. i.e. ‭‭ When you receive the Holy Ghost you receive the Spirit of Jesus Christ. It is just a matter of Translation from the Original written language. Cf. I do, however agree that placing the tabernacle in the center is the right thing to do. The Holy Ghost was rejected by the fathers of old times just like the Jews did when they crucified Jesus Christ. Then as you matured you received the Holy Ghost? St. Michael (“Who is like God?”) is the strong created angel that dispels those created beings who WRONGLY think they are “like God” or even better, like satan, the fallen angel. John 14/20, Revelation 3/20. The reason Holy Ghost is a more proper term in referring to God is because the Holy Ghost is a spirit but it has no body so when it speaks through others it’s presence seems like that of a ghost. The terms ‘Holy Ghost’ and ‘Holy Spirit’ refer to the same thing. **It brought joy to my heart to see students, not nerdy types, talk with humor and eloquence about their education, their classmates (their \”brothers\”) and their teachers. God is a Trinity of Persons, each distinct, and a Unity of Substance (consubstantial). Been baptised with the Holy Ghost and fire is not a baptism onto repentance, it is a baptism unto death!!! Adam was male and female, the heavenly man created by God. Conclusion: There is no difference between the Holy Spirit and the Holy Ghost. You see, the Son of God is a fiery figure in a form of a Angel. The holy ghost is the personality who can only dwell in those who beleived and received Jesus. Whereas the Holy GHOST is all in all. The distinction is valuable theologically. The Novus Ordo “Church” is a Protestant church of darkness which has eclipsed the Holy Catholic Church. I don’t see a rejection of the Old Testament in the attempt to make that distinction. “Holy Ghost” and “Holy Spirit” are considered synonymous in modern times and were both used in the King James Version in many instances after being translated from Greek. I can not begin to tell you how revolting these traditional practices are to those who are hell bent on seeing the Church become modernized, Protestantized, pro-choice, pro-homosexual, accept female priests, and the many other assaults hurled upon Christ’s Holy Church. Only God has angels in this sense. 4.Although based on the Greek words “pneuma hagion,” the translations for “Holy Ghost” and “Holy Spirit” greatly depended on the translator’s understanding and interpretation of the context. 3.In the Middle Ages, the title “Holy Spirit” was used to describe or pertain to God’s Spirit or the Spirit of the Lord, whereas “Holy Ghost” was used to describe the third person in the Holy Trinity. The spirit of Christmas. The true Catholic Faith (as revealed through Christ Jesus) has always held the angels (including St. Michael) as created beings (part of the spiritual creation) NOT Creator. The KJV used the title “Holy Spirit” rarely. The King James Version uses “Holy Ghost” where it is clear that the Third Person of the Trinity is meant, e.g. When you are confirmed a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the priesthood holder says, "Receive the Holy Ghost" you receive this gift. The word spirit is the Latin word for the English word ghost.Both mean 'soul, non-corporeal being'. It is clear they knew the differance in a ghost and a spirit. There is a difference between the Holy Ghost and the Holy Spirit, which are of the same substance and quality but not of the same style of quantity. Holy Spirit therefore is now universally used in all official texts, and over the last 50 years or so has become common usage. John 3:5 The ‘Spirit’ here is the Spirit of God in which without it you can’t enter the kingdom of God. St. Michael is an angel, not God. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit; Before Resurrection and after. The spirit of St Louis, etc. There are three components of this Holy Trinity with the God being the father and Jesus being the son of … Curious: Wouldn’t it be closer to the Latin- Spiritus (Spirit) Sanctus, not Fanstasma (Ghost in Latin-languages) Sanctus? Heresy. I think that “Ghost” implies personality (as in “Casper the Ghost”) only if we take the meaning of phantasm, spirit of a dead person. The man formed from dust by LORD God because there was no man to till the ground was male only. Only than the Spirit of God came down on him and than he received all power from his Father in heaven. But with the most recent translations of the Holy Scriptures, the title “Spirit” is used to replace “Ghost” in almost all instances. This is interesting as it is simply Father's opinion. Nontrinitarian Christians, who reject the doctrine of the Trinity, differ significantly from mainstream Christianity in their beliefs about the Holy Spirit. See, Copyright © A.D. 2018 Catholic Stand | Powered by Astra. We need a return to traditional practices such as: placing tabernacles in the center of the altar, receiving the Eucharist kneeling and on the tongue, traditional Latin liturgy, proper liturgical music (Gregorian Chant), dressing our BEST for Mass, women veiled in Church, and yes, even saying Holy Ghost. However, just a little time later on the same day they were all [including Peter] filled with the Holy Spirit in vs. 31. You think Like Jesus, you handle Problems Like Jesus, you forgive, love, be at peace through all adversity like Jesus did. Note the lack of capitalization of holy goost. Thank you for your answer but if this is the case why in Psalms 51/11 David mentioned the Holy Ghost? The third person in the blessed Trinity. Here O Isreal the Lord our God is One Lord. Holy spirit = spirit of God = the power of God, After 46 years of feeding on the WORD I have seen that when not directly the Holy GHOST saying or addressing something, where word Ghost is used but rather describing or attributing something too or revealing something about the Person of the Holy GHOST, the KJV uses Spirit. Both Spirit and Ghost are perfectly fine. It is an experience that cannot be adequately described with words. There is no clear reason as to why the KJV translators used Ghost in most places and then Spirit in a few. ‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬, “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.” Learn how your comment data is processed. 1.In modern times, the titles “Holy Ghost” and “Holy Spirit” are considered synonymous. bright wings”. On the other hand, the term “Holy Ghost” was used as a description of the third person or spirit in the Holy Trinity. Even the modern AntiPopes still write in Latin. John 14:17 “I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.” However, Having the Holy Spirit you must have, live, be a living testimony of the 9 Characteristics that is defined in the Bible of having the Characters of Jesus. Mother Mary was most reverent and she stood at the foot of the cross. 25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God. But, I agree, “ghost” is more in the English tradition and has, therefore a nicer ring to it. That is before the messiah came. The Holy Ghost was rejected , not the Holy spirit from the beginning. It is the Spirit of Christ Jesus. It was a happy and inspiring occasion; he received athletic and academic honors (a grandfather is allowed to brag), and the graduation talks were well delivered, moving, and spirit-filled (unlike many I’ve attended as recipient or in an academic audience).**. John 7:39 The Holy Spirit and the Holy Ghost are one and the same. More than four years ago I posted an article on Catholic Stand, “The Holy Ghost vs The Holy Spirit.” The post got a huge number of hits (for this blog and my articles). Trying to show that there is no contradiction between what science tells us about the world and our Catholic faith. When you receive the this you will understand why Jesus said what he said. The expression Holy Ghost, however, when properly understood, retains its validity in the context of personal prayer for those who wish to continue using it. The same Holy Ghost that they were filled with is the same Holy Spirit that gave them the power to speak in tongues. 23 see Galatians 5: 22-23 24 Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonished, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? Also, holy angels do indeed protect & guard us (by God’s command), but we do not “have” angels in the sense of possession. The terms "Holy Spirit" and "Holy Ghost" mean exactly the same thing; both refer to the third Person of the Trinity (the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit). John 4:24 The Bible says that God is a Spirit. Thus, some ancient translations of Scripture, including the King James Version, have the terms Holy Spirit and Holy Ghost referring to the Spirit of God. The Holy Ghost, I’m thinking wasn’t mention till after Jesus resurrected. “Spirit” sounds dry and impersonal. . In the 6th century, printers of the Bible used capital letters to make a strong distinction between the titles using lower case for “spirit” in the Old Testament and “Spirit” in the New Testament. Praise God for the truth. *The Congregation of the Holy Spirit (known as the Spiritans) was founded in 1703 by Claude des Places, and revitalized after the French Revolution in 1848 by Fr. That would be the Holy Ghost and fire that came over Mary and that thing been born shall be called the Son of God and named JESUS. You have to have this experience for yourself to understand. Latin is an unambiguous language. They are all one, yes. You need to study your catechism. She says if I don’t receive the Holy Spirit, I will be denied Heaven. Still prefer it. The Greek “pneuma” is used for “ghost” and “hagion” for “holy.” These words were combined as “hagion pneuma” in all instances which have been translated to English as “Ghost” or “Spirit” greatly depending on the interpretation of the translator. When you receive the Holy Ghost you receive the Spirit of Christ. In the Wycliffe translation (1395) there is “sche was founde hauynge of the holy goost in the wombe” (Matt 1:18, The Bible Corner). Kloque you are on the right track. Just like the Angel of God protected those 3 persons in the fire , been baptised with the Holy Ghost and fire you shall be superior unto the first and second death. However, as I examine the Scriptures, I realize that there is indeed a need for “a comfortable place to land”.The Bible uses the “Holy Spirit” in seven different instances. . Whereas the Holy Ghost communes the Throne`s `spirit of truth` to us, not seducing us from our *LORD*as evil spirits do, not drawing attention to Himself but to the *WORD*.Ps 138:2. Back when the term started to be used in the English translation of Scripture–“goost” and “spirit” meant the same thing, as in the German “geist”, but the Anglo-Saxon (Germanic) term was used to distinguish the Third Person from a manifestation of God. He is said to proceed from the Father, and to be sent by the Father and the Son upon disciples, John 14:26 15:26; to be the Spirit of the Father, Matthew 10:20 1 1 Corinthians 2:11; and the Spirit of Christ, Galatians 4:6 Philippians 1:19. One of the phrases "Holy Spirit" and "Holy Ghost" is generally preferred traditionally by one or another Christian denomination. When we become saved through Jesus Christ, we keep the Holy Spirit, God, in our Heart. Thanks Dave and Matt for your comments. 1 Cor. The terms “Holy Spirit” and “Holy Ghost” mean exactly the same thing; both refer to the third Person of the Trinity (the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit). The earthy man who was alone. It was not until so much later when the “Holy Spirit” was used in most Bible translations to primarily signify the third person in the Holy Trinity after the Father and the Son. Both the words are used to describe the third part of the Holy Trinity, apart from God and the son of God. Still yo saying a “ghost is a spirit” of a dead… Yo agreeying to the synonymousity of the words u would have said Ghost is a ghost of a dead person. Note in the quotation from the King James Version, at the beginning, that “holy spirit” is not capitalized. ‭‭, Ghost = spirit + soul Now go and share the joy that you have from being Catholic. In one sense this is true (for modern readers), but in another, there is a real advantage of speaking of the Holy Ghost rather than the Holy Spirit. And in my opinion, this linguistic distinction ought to be retained – at the very least, to avoid confusing what is being referred to: the Holy Ghost, or the Spirit of the Lord. The context of the New Testament usage was from a prophetic point of view. Luke 4:1 Holy Ghost. When the KJV was written, which I read from others as well, I found that the Scholars whom transpose the KJV into English from Greek and Hebrew, they all came together in unity and prayed to decide which English word would be the closest to each word they translated. — I. SYNOPSIS OF THE DOGMA. take not thy ruach kodesh (Holy Spirit) from me.” It is found twice in Isaiah 63. Spirits move – ghosts hover. If i may, the word ghost in Hebrew and the word spirit in Hebrew. The words “Son of God” is only mentioned once in the Old Testament: Daniel 3: 24 – 25 There is only one Spirit. So I said I have spoken in Tongues only once. Catholics debating like they want to be right over which one to use seems childish. Taylor Marshall posted a piece about this on his blog several months ago. YIC, Pingback: Holy Ghost versus Holy Spirit, Redux; Thoughts on Anglican Usage Liturgy : Catholic Stand, Pingback: The Fleet Sources – 13 May 2018 – Seventh Sunday of Easter – 24-B | The CatholicNavigator. Gerard Manley Hopkins, “Your soul is the ship, the Holy Spirit is the wind; he blows into your will and your soul goes forward . As anyone familiar with the KJV will notice, when speaking of the Spirit, the translators were not always consistent. This notion seems to have been conjured up as a “whacking stick” against a traditional (archaic) language use. Masculine = feminine The phrase “Holy Ghost” is simply an older term that dates back several hundred years, and is found in some old versions of the English Bible (such as the King James Version). Also the fiery figure before the tabernacle, when Moses spoke to the LORD face to face. This doesn’t all the way collide with me. It is a new Life. Not 3 in one. Both expressions are okay. 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. If there is a Angel of God and a Angel of the LORD, ore a Son of God and a son of God , ore the LORD and the Lord , ore a LORD God and a LORD thy God , ore a Seraphim and a Cherubim , i can go on and on….. While corroborating and explaining the testimony of Scripture, Tradition brings more clearly before us the various stages of the development of this doctrine. Also as the burning Bush that was not consumed and the pillar of fire at night. Retired, cranky, old physicist. The only difference is the way the word was used during the old times and today. In the day God created man , in the likeness of God made he him; male and female created he them and called them Adam!!! You got it wrong holy spirit can come and go holy ghost it is within us and never leaves us or forsakes US. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. When Jesus came to earth, He was the Holy Spirit, God’s Son. The problem is Organized Religion in whole, I think we should say what we want and feel or what naturally comes out. To help the man who was alone and as meat (perpouse) for the man she was taken from. See Thayer’s Greek Lexicon. This came about mainly due to the fact that words do not always hold their true meanings. Why? As the Holy Spirit is the Comforter sent by God, but in order to Heal and cast out demons etc as Paul and Jesus’ Disciples you must have the Holy Ghost. The lake of fire and brimstone is the second death. According to Bible students, the title “Holy Ghost” was learned from the Authorized Version, the other name for the KJV. It also says Christ in you the hope of glory. See the Wikipedia article about the Holy Ghost Fathers, the Spiritan web-site, and the articles about des Places and Liberman. No, Mart, that is a very dangerous heresy (which will lead you to numerous false heretical cults, like the Jehovah’s “witnesses”). Amen, as Catholics we acknowledge the Holy Spirit of God’s active presence & work through the Old Testament events, Hebrew nation, & prophets. I adapted, even grew to like the new liturgy, About 14 years ago I stumbled into a parish which had a traditional liturgy. You are so correct! Why so many folks think that the Holy Ghost only opts for the new and different is amazing. Ghost is entity from the dead….. Jesus is Risen so the Comforter he sent to us is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is de really state of God not ghost since ghost is de spirit of a dead person. The confusion is mainly due to past usage versus present usage and because of the different languages that were incorporated into the modern English language. Why not the spirit? The spirit of America. I wish we could all agree on this but there are those who knowingly or unknowingly advance the agenda of the evil one…sometimes even in the name of Christ and His Church. They answered and said unto the king, True, O king. In the days of King James or Shakespeare, “ghost” meant the live essence of a person which could also be connected to “soul” or “breath” and were considered to be synonymous to “ghost.” In those times, “spirit” was used when pertaining to the departed essence of a person or a paranormal demonic apparition. Look at the Jehovah’s Witnesses for example. commonly used. In some places where spirit, but not the spirit of God or the Holy Spirit is meant, pneuma is translated as spirit (not capitalized). However, knowing that I have the Holy Spirit and that i am living and being Faithful to God in all ways, not just in my Tithes. Now think for yourself , out of wich man was his other half taken and a woman made to be a help meat for who? In the Middle Ages, the English Bible was transcribed by Christian translators using different words for a Greek word to signify that there are two distinctions. Strive to be filled with the Holy Spirit/Ghost. Our terminus for prayer is given us in Matthew 6:9 in fellowship designated 1 John 1:3. . Peace & get a copy of The Catechism of the Catholic Church from your local parish, it will explain the nature of angels much better than me. It’s also worth noting that in Latin, Spanish, French, Italian, etc. to behold. The only path available to a true Catholic, at this time, is sedevacantism. I don’t need proof…but if I did just seeing the anger and vile reactions from those opposed to the traditional practices I mentioned are enough proof to show me I am on the right side. In other contexts, pneuma is translated as Spirit, as in Matthew 10:20, “ἀλλὰ τὸ πνεῦμα τοῦ πατρὸς”, which means “(For it is not you who speak) but the Spirit of your Father (KJV). I go back to the catechesis given by a priest when I was learning about Catholicism: “There is God the Father, God above us; God the Son, God beside us; and God the Holy Spirit, God within us.” So, the Holy Spirit is at the same time clearly evident and a mystery–God within us. I am happy in Christ. Holy Ghost vs Holy Spirit When we talk about Christianity, we often make use of the concept of Holy Trinity to explain the existence of Jesus, the son of God, as being different from God himself. My neighbor and I have been at odds recently in regard to what is the Holy Spirit and what is the Holy Ghost. Before time & space, the Holy Trinity always was. We should remember that it took some time for the Patristic Fathers to work out that the Trinity was Three Persons, but one God. One you cannot pinpoint. emotions, will, desires, etc. I told her it was just a matter of translation and oh my! Do you think they were idiots in there own languages that we know better today? Rather, the real issue is the wonderful propensity of the English language which is not limited to merely one form (or nuance) of expression as many other languages are. Before these things, there was the Holy Trinity, Not angels. When i got saved i recieved gods spirit and it is holy but later i recieved the holy ghost the power of god.you dont give a child the keys to a car and tell the to go to the store not it reaches a certain age.the same with the holy ghost when you reach a certain maturity you will recieve the holy ghost.the holy ghost is sanaminous with power. He is separate and distinct from the Father and the Son, yet they all work together in perfect unity. One you cannot pinpoint. Instance:Luke 11:13 kjv is encouraging one to ask, acknowledging a need specifically maybe Rev 1:4, 3;1, 4:5, 5:6. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! ‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬. Most of all, you are humble like a child. Should we then reject the Old Testament as incomplete? Actually, the traditional Roman Mass is the most ancient and venerable rite of the Catholic Church – not the Maronite. I am not sure where the idea of rejecting the Old Testament idea came from, because certainly that was not the case with English translators (such as those of the Douay Rheims Bible), which is the the distinction under discussion. “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.” When I was baptized, I received the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. My conjecture is that ghost (or goost) came from an Anglo-Saxon form for “spirit” related to the German “Geist.” The translators were looking for a way to distinguish the Third Person of the Trinity, from the manifestation of God—his breath, his will—given in the Old Testament. I believe when we receive miracles or even feel his strong presence at times stronger than average, wouldn’t this be called The Holy Ghost. At first, I refrained from entering this debate of whether there is any difference between the Holy Ghost and the Holy Spirit. Only protestants say "Holy Spirit" or "Sainted Spirit" because they're so ambiguous in English because English is an ambiguous language. The relationship between the Holy Spirit or Light of Christ and every living thing, whether a planet, plant, animal, human or ecosystem is direct, immediate and continual. As Pope Benedict XVI said: “Christians do not read the Old Testament for its own sake but always with Christ and through Christ, as a voyage to Truth through continuing Revelation.”. Yet there was no difference in meaning at that time. Dave, It was nice that I could read the Greek (not the Hebrew alphabet) even 7 years away from my crash course in New Testament Greek. “ Nicene Creed, Anglican Usage Liturgy, Last week I attended my grandson’s graduation from Holy Ghost Preparatory School in Philadelphia. 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